am i the only person who read the title as applying to broccoli?
yes.
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captainkoolaid: am i the only
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I also suggest you apply at
I also suggest you apply at SSE. Very good placement in IB.
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Thanks for the quick
Thanks for the quick responses guys.
Well, you maximize your chances of getting in somewhere by applying to a bunch of places. Your reservations about ESSEC seem the least well founded considering they very likely consider late official score reports and a trip to Paris isn't a huge commitment. Of course living in Paris is more expensive than Milan but you can't be 100% sure you'll get into Bocconi or HSG. Btw, if you want a scholarship at Bocconi, you should apply for one ASAP.
True, it is a lame excuse, you're right. I think I'll try my luck with ESSEC.
Concerning the scholarship, they want you to apply to the scholarship within the same time frame as the deadline. I'm applying to the 11-13 May deadline so I have to send my scholarship application during the same period as my "main" application dossier.
I went to one of those continental European schools you mentioned and interned in London. I would consider paying 50k for imperial, but definitely not for Cass, I dont think its worth it.
In terms of placement, I can tell you that there were a lot of people from Bocconi's Msc Finance and from Essec. Can't really comment on St. Gallen cause I just dont remember.
So if money is tight, what you're mainly giving up by not going to Imperial is the networking capabilities imo. But if you have a strong profile (strong grades, experience, e/c's...), you should have a good shot from these schools.
Just a few tips on approaching recruiting season:
-For Europe, you mainly apply online (vs Campus recruiting in the US/Canada). Schools will do networking events with the major banks around September so do attend those.
-Start applying as soon as you can (September), since its a rolling admission process (for both SA and FT). That way you'll also have enough time to do those countless repetitive and annoying online reasoning tests before you really start classes.
Thats my 2 cents, and good luck...
So not Cass. Ok, will keep that in mind. So you're saying there's no real difference between Imperial and let's say Bocconi when you don't take into account the networking possibilities?
Well my profile is: french+english speaker, 680 GMAT, kinda good grades I guess, lots of quantitative courses (stats, prob, econometrics (2 classes),..). Unfortunately no experience. Reason is I've been a semi-pro athlete these past 4 years, haven't had the time to get experience. But I do hope that the fact that I've been good at sports (shows motivation, mental toughness, risk-seeking,..) can help my application.
Thanks for the recruiting information. I would have to definitely get my a$$ out there if I get accepted at Bocconi. No experience so far, I'd have to do my work at the networking/career fair events.
Bocconi is a beast in terms of IB placement. I guess 680 will give you a pretty decent shot if the rest of your profile is good. Go to Bocconi when you have the chance to and don't mind living in Milan (pretty nice city imho).
680 would have been enough for Rotterdam but it's too late anyway, so don't think about it.
Cass isn't worth the money and Imperial is pretty quantitative, just as a warning for you. You should definitely apply to as many schools as possible but if you had the chance, I would go for Bocconi. All the other schools are decent too and will allow you to recruit at top banks, but Bocconi is a banking feeder in London (and Milan obviously) and I think that should be your choice.
Yeah, I heard the same thing. Plus they have a ton of students in this master of finance program, I can't remember the exact number but I think they accept 120+ students.
What about Warwick? I've heard it's mostly considered top tier behind the obvious ones.
LSE is not impossible to enter, they have more places and courses with Finance. If I were you, I would try applying there too. The network that you can build here in London cannot be compared with the other European locations for sure. Isn't Bocconi's MSc 24 months vs 12 months in UK?
Seriously? I thought LSE was "the" top school in Europe in terms of IB and high finance. Honestly, I'd never even thought of applying there. My grades are surely not good enough. My GMAT score and TOEFL (I have 104/120 iBT) are also almost surely too low. But I'll check it out.
Yes Bocconi is 2 years and in the UK, it's usually 12 months. I think the 2 years is better, you have time to do an internship in between.
I also suggest you apply at SSE. Very good placement in IB.
Will check it out but I think the deadline is way passed. I think I remember checking it 2 months ago and it wasn't that far away.
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SSE should be over but check
SSE should be over but check it to be sure. I guess it is nearly impossible for you to get accepted to the MSc Finance at LSE, but you should definitely try your luck with the MSc Acc. & Fin.
Anyway, considering that you don't have any finance experience under your belt, you might want to lean towards the top two year programs instead of one of the UK programs.
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above_and_beyond: SSE should
SSE should be over but check it to be sure. I guess it is nearly impossible for you to get accepted to the MSc Finance at LSE, but you should definitely try your luck with the MSc Acc. & Fin.
Anyway, considering that you don't have any finance experience under your belt, you might want to lean towards the top two year programs instead of one of the UK programs.
I hate accounting with all my guts. I know it's an integral part of studying anything business related but the less accounting there is, the better.
Will definitely check SSE. What other two-year programs are you thinking of? Apart from St.Gallen, Bocconi, Essec.
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Just checked, the deadline
Just checked, the deadline for SSE was January 15th. Too bad...
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Apply for Copenhagen Business
Apply for Copenhagen Business School if its still possible. Not as renowned as SSE but still campus recruiting and lots of possibilities for the future. 2-year program.
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Thanks for the info! Will
Thanks for the info! Will definitely check it out!
I've never even thought of Copenhaguen. Is it a target school for IB/high finance?
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I don't think you mentioned
I don't think you mentioned where you wanted to work. Your desired work location is an important factor to take into account when choosing a university.
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I'd really like to work in a
I'd really like to work in a big financial center like London, New York,...
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Hum if you want to work in
Hum if you want to work in London, it doesn't get much better than imperial but it is a lot more expensive than the other schools you applied to...
Also,I would pick Warwick over bocconi, HSG and essec for London recruiting.
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In my opinion it should be
In my opinion it should be Bocconi>HSG>ESSEC, If you think you can get into these programs (and with gmat = 680 you should get into Bocconi easily (what is your second choice? IMO you should pick the MSc in ESS. They've been placing strongly in high finance recently (ie. 2 jpm IBD, 1 Barclays IBD, 1 MS trading, 1 Blackstone PE, 1 Deutsche Bank IBD, etc.))), you can save some money and don't even apply to Cass, Imperial, etc.
Also, since you don't have any finance related working experience, you should go for a 2 yrs program that will allow you to get at least one internship down the road. Having said that, CBS will be a better pick than Cass and I personally know people who got into IBD FT spots in London from CBS.
You should also check ESCP, which is another massive feeder for IBD and maybe some other good 2 yrs programs like ESADE or NHH.
Finally, if money is a problem, check out some other good dutch schools like Tilburg. Obv, their placement is not as good as the LSE one but they can still help you to break in.
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cruel3a: In my opinion it
In my opinion it should be Bocconi>HSG>ESSEC, If you think you can get into these programs (and with gmat = 680 you should get into Bocconi easily (what is your second choice? IMO you should pick the MSc in ESS. They've been placing strongly in high finance recently (ie. 2 jpm IBD, 1 Barclays IBD, 1 MS trading, 1 Blackstone PE, 1 Deutsche Bank IBD, etc.))), you can save some money and don't even apply to Cass, Imperial, etc.
Also, since you don't have any finance related working experience, you should go for a 2 yrs program that will allow you to get at least one internship down the road. Having said that, CBS will be a better pick than Cass and I personally know people who got into IBD FT spots in London from CBS.
You should also check ESCP, which is another massive feeder for IBD and maybe some other good 2 yrs programs like ESADE or NHH.
Finally, if money is a problem, check out some other good dutch schools like Tilburg. Obv, their placement is not as good as the LSE one but they can still help you to break in.
Thanks man!
If I could chose, I guess my second choice would be HSG or ESSEC. HSG would be much less expensive that ESSEC if I get accepted. I'm Swiss, live 3 hours away from HSG, it would cost a fraction of what other top programs cost.
Unfortunately, the deadline for Scandanavian schools (SSE and CBS) was back in January/February.
Yes, I'm definitely looking at ESCP. I've printed everything out already. I just don't know if these french schools accept 3 year bachelor degrees from a swiss uni. They have weird requirements with degrees I don't get. They still haven't answered my email.
If I get accepted in Imperial, I'll pay no matter what I think, I'll find a way (loan,...) whatever. The name itself I think is worth the money.
All in all, I'm thinking of applying to Bocconi, St.Gallen, ESSEC, ESCP, Imperial
and maybe Cass and Warwick
But Warwick, if I remember correctly, admits many less people than Imperial and is more competitive so I don't know if it's worth taking my chance.
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If you have to choose,
If you have to choose, Warwick > Cass.
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cruel3a: If you have to
If you have to choose, Warwick > Cass.
Definitely. Cass is a grade lower.
But, I don't know if I have a shot at Warwick/Imperial/Cass at all, you see. A part of me is saying to go for it, that I'll never know if I don't try, and another part is saying that I have no shot at all.
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The lady that answered my
The lady that answered my email at ESSEC said that the Master in Finance would be better suited to my profile. What's the difference with the Master in Techniques Financières? Is the Master in Finance still regarded as top tier for IB?
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Techniques Financieres is
Techniques Financieres is more quanty and oriented towards S&T roles. ESSEC is not in the LSE/Bocconi/ESADE/St. Gallen/HEC "holy shortlist." (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/joris-luye...)
Forgot to mention ESADE but I know very little about it.
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GoodBread: Techniques
Techniques Financieres is more quanty and oriented towards S&T roles. ESSEC is not in the LSE/Bocconi/ESADE/St. Gallen/HEC "holy shortlist." (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/joris-luye...)
Forgot to mention ESADE but I know very little about it.
Christ lol, getting home at 3am and going back out at 9am! Crazy stuff
What have you heard about the Master in Finance at ESSEC? (NOT the Master en Techniques Financières)
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I haven't heard much about
I haven't heard much about it. To be honest I avoided the French schools because being French and having an HEC/ESSEC degree without having gone to prepa is a no-no. It won't be as good for London recruiting as Bocconi/St. Gallen but will be the best of the bunch to stay in France.
And 3am is tame by some groups' standards.
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GoodBread: I haven't heard
I haven't heard much about it. To be honest I avoided the French schools because being French and having an HEC/ESSEC degree without having gone to prepa is a no-no. It won't be as good for London recruiting as Bocconi/St. Gallen but will be the best of the bunch to stay in France.
And 3am is tame by some groups' standards.
Ok, thanks for that.
I'll try my luck anyway I think, I want to maximize my chances.
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